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Anti Em
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posted October 01, 2001 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anti Em     Edit/Delete Message
In honor of our friend and debate partner, Brad Rules (it's only a joke, Brad!), I offer you the following thread, inspired by an article in the Omaha World Herald:

quote:
Female state senator in Kansas says suffrage is a symptom of a sick society

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) - A Kansas state senator says she views women's suffrage as a sign that American society doesn't value the family enough. But Sen. Kay O'Connor said she wouldn't deprive women of the vote.

"We have a society that does tear families apart," she said. "I think the 19th Amendment, while it's not an evil in and of itself, is a symptom of something I don't approve of."

She said she believes that women should have the right to cast their ballot, but that if men were doing their job of taking care of women and children, then women wouldn't be required to vote. --full story at Omaha World Herald


What, what . . WHAT . . . . WHAT?!?

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Cropherb
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posted October 01, 2001 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cropherb   Click Here to Email Cropherb     Edit/Delete Message
but, but, but...but she's a senator, herself. I mean, that's the least of what's wrong with this, but how on earth does she reconcile that? Missus Cropherb is gonna lurve this 'un. She grew up in Topeka, and since she moved away, she's never looked back. Kansas politics is out there, man. Scares me to think how close we came to President Dole.

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Devin Austra
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posted October 01, 2001 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Devin Austra   Click Here to Email Devin Austra     Edit/Delete Message

I am reminded once again why politics scare me.

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Dutch Philosopher
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posted October 01, 2001 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dutch Philosopher   Click Here to Email Dutch Philosopher     Edit/Delete Message
Another interesting, yet conflicting quote...

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O'Connor, one of the Legislature's most conservative members on social issues, has said she was forced into the workplace because of her ailing daughter's medical bills.

She is serving her first year in the Senate after having served eight years in the House.


Being forced to be a politician? Talk about "being a slave of the system". Like there aren't a gazillion role-confirming jobs (waitress, nurse, teacher) out there!

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Roup
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posted October 01, 2001 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roup     Edit/Delete Message
My mother is a nurse. Nurse (at least in the United States) has to be about the most gender-defined job left out there. So much so, in fact, that when there is a male nurse, the gender is usually attached to the job description. "Bob? Yeah, he's a male nurse." How many jobs can you say that about?

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farwell3d
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posted October 01, 2001 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for farwell3d   Click Here to Email farwell3d     Edit/Delete Message
Not many.

Um, I can't figure this out here. What in the world, she was just setting herself up to look like the world's biggest hypocrite.

I can even understand what she is saying, but she's a senator. Think that would happen if men had done their jobs and caused suffrage to be necessary?

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Dutch Philosopher
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posted October 01, 2001 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dutch Philosopher   Click Here to Email Dutch Philosopher     Edit/Delete Message
psst Roup...how 'bout "midwife"?

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Roup
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posted October 01, 2001 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roup     Edit/Delete Message
Dutch: point.

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McDuff
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posted October 02, 2001 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for McDuff   Click Here to Email McDuff     Edit/Delete Message
isn't midwife a subclass of nurse?...

/pedantry

Anyway.

Gah!

All the salient points have already been made, but there's always room for one more Gah!.

The thing is, you can't really debate this here, because I don't think anyone is dumb enough to say "well, actually, if men were better women wouldn't *need* to vote." As if it's a question of *need,* for flippin buddha on a dinghy's sake!

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Jack Havoc
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posted October 02, 2001 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Havoc   Click Here to Email Jack Havoc     Edit/Delete Message
"Suffrage bad idea says female Senator! Religion highly over rated says Pope!"

I feel stupider for having read that.

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Morat
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posted October 02, 2001 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morat   Click Here to Email Morat     Edit/Delete Message
I mean...for the love of Pete..her job is to vote.

I mean, I can't think of a more contradictory stance.

I mean, what sort of messed up worldview is this?

A. Women shouldn't hold jobs or vote.
B. Kay O'Connor is a woman.
C. Therefore, Kay O'Connor should take a job in which she votes constantly.

I don't think that logically follows.....

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spamhead
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posted October 02, 2001 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spamhead     Edit/Delete Message
Roup:

Male secretary (of which I was one) and
male prostitute (of which I was not) come to mind......

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Owlet
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posted October 02, 2001 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Owlet   Click Here to Email Owlet     Edit/Delete Message
This is yet another example of why I have been saying for years that we need to have the Stupid Police. There are people who carry around balloons affixed to the ends of dowels, and, in the presence of great stupidity, bonk said stupid person in the head with the balloon and yell "STUPID"!

Of course, I want that job.

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farwell3d
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posted October 02, 2001 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for farwell3d   Click Here to Email farwell3d     Edit/Delete Message
Jack Havoc, that was perfect.

hm, female truck driver.

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Bombadil
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posted October 02, 2001 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bombadil   Click Here to Email Bombadil     Edit/Delete Message
And you know what else, if women were doing their jobs and providing a home at a reasonable cost, then men wouldn't have to put up with sexual harassment suits in the workplace and the sky would be a pretty shade of fushcia and ducks would fly out of my butt.

Just to set the record straight.

A male midwife is called a midwife, so that one doesn't count. Yes there are. Are too. Are too! I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I'm rubber your glue! Neener neener nah nah nah!

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Angel Fish
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posted October 02, 2001 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Angel Fish   Click Here to Email Angel Fish     Edit/Delete Message
< wants to know where it was that Cropherb was talking about Foucault, so she can go there and make him stop

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Cropherb
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posted October 02, 2001 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cropherb   Click Here to Email Cropherb     Edit/Delete Message
[^ psst...it was in the "boink-in-the-face-of-death" thread in MNSBS. Where else would one talk about Foucault? It's not as though I quoted him with approval or anything....sheesh.

[Edited to add - HOLY SHEEPDIP! I'VE BEEN SIGGED BY BOM!! (notworthynotworthynotworthy!)]

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RedTwo
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posted October 02, 2001 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedTwo   Click Here to Email RedTwo     Edit/Delete Message
Hee hee. "Male She-Ra". Hee hee hee.

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Kaligus
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posted October 02, 2001 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaligus   Click Here to Email Kaligus     Edit/Delete Message
*looks confused*

so you mean to say that all of this time I have been fightin for equal rights and everyone has a voice has been a waste of my silly male time? This senator needs to take a vallium or ten and think this through a bit more carefully from several prospectives... and people wonder why I think we should just erase the legislative branch and start with a fresh tree!

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eillid
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posted October 02, 2001 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eillid   Click Here to Email eillid     Edit/Delete Message
The first thing I noticed was the alliteration. State senator says suffrage is a symptom of a sick society. But then, I just started laughing. I didn't think there were still women who felt this way. Maybe she's bitter. Did her husband fail to take care of his woman and his child? That might be why she's required to vote.

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DaveInACar
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posted October 03, 2001 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaveInACar   Click Here to Email DaveInACar     Edit/Delete Message
At first, I thought this was another joke, like on The Man Show where they got women who didn't know the definition of "sufferage" to sign a petition to end it, because they thought it was the same as suffering.

Not that the Man Show wasn't doing anything to help them think that. They had pictures of poverty-stricken-looking women on the table they were sitting at.

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RedTwo
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posted October 03, 2001 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedTwo   Click Here to Email RedTwo     Edit/Delete Message
And we were suffering
Until sufferage

(Whoa!)

Not a woman here could vote
No matter what age

(No!)

'Til the nineteenth amendment
Struck down that restrictive rule!

OH YEAAAAAAAHHH!

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Skatie
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posted October 03, 2001 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skatie   Click Here to Email Skatie     Edit/Delete Message
Schoolhouse Rock and RedTwo ROCK!

That woman is an idiot. It's just that simple.

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