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DramaShrink Self-Made User	posted September 20, 2001 02:45 PM Toon brought up an interesting topic in another thread: co-educational schools. I myself think that co-education is crucial in the elementary school years, but after that, it's a matter of personal choice. Discuss? ------------------ "Hi."- Toon "Smile. It increases your face value." - "Truvy" from "Steel Magnolias" "Inside every geek beats the heart of a raging green monster."- Jack Havoc IP: Logged
DominusGladiorum Self-Made User	posted September 20, 2001 04:06 PM I really fail to see the point of one-gender schools, except placating family-values wacks. IP: Logged
Angel Fish Self-Made User	posted September 20, 2001 04:21 PM I went to a single-sex school (11 - 18), and it did me good. We were encouraged to socialise with the boys from other local single-sex and co-ed schools in extra-mural activites, so I don't think my relationship ability was particularly stunted - I also appreciated the fact that, even though it filled every other waking moment of my teenage years, relationships, boyfriends and sex did not interefere with my schooling. Generally, single-sex schools seem to get better results (looking at this years league tables) but I'm aware that single-sex schools are more common in wealthier areas, and are frequently selective schools, so this may not be cause and effect. [things] [This message has been edited by Angel Fish (edited September 20, 2001).] IP: Logged
Jesse Dangerously Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 07:29 AM I was in a sort of single sex school from primary(kindergarten) to grade 3. Odd thing was, it was a girls' school. It was also Catholic, and may have contributed to my perception that the entire world was mostly so. But that's neither here nor there. I don't think that anything is to be gained by seperating the genders. People in the world are male and female. School is part of the world, not a sequestered preparation for emerging from a chrysalis into REAL LIFE. I think that the primary function our fiscally crippled school systems continue to fulfill is social integration. I mean really, is math as important as learning to understand one's fellow man? So the scores may slip a little due to a bit of inattention... society is more important than achieving 100% proficiency in any high school subject. IP: Logged
Sputnik2 Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 08:06 AM I cannot see, for the ever-lasting life of me, how single-sex schools could function at a kindergarten level... I LOVED my elementary school, my best 5 years ever, and it basically molded me into the socially-awkward, mentally augmented, role-player that I am. And what about cooties? No Girls to Have Cooties? Those young lads will never be exposed to the vital cootie innoculations... once they are "released" upon the cootie-fearing public they would be marked as pariahs.. Pariahs, do you hear me!? ------------------ #include <sarcasm.h> IP: Logged
Toon Shuttlecock	posted September 21, 2001 09:30 AM Generally I've found that girls who've been raised their entire lives in girls-only schools tend to either idealize or demonize the male of the species -- sometimes both simultaneously. I understand that a very similar attitude happens in boys-only schools. On the other hand, I keep seeing studies that say that girls do better academically when they do not share a classroom with boys (and the why of that is an issue of serious dispute). And that boys, if they can't be proven to do better in a female-free classroom, at least aren't doing any worse. But as Jesse says, which is more important, book-learning or developing an understanding that members of the opposite gender are, you know, people? ...Okay, they're both important; is it possible to find a way to maximize either one without damaging the other? ------------------ -=> Toon "Toon, it's okay -- just think of the config.sys file as bizarre post-modern poetry." -Rob Wynne on #filkhaven IP: Logged
Maverick Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 09:34 AM Co-ed school, single sex classes? IP: Logged
Harmonious Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 09:41 AM That makes sense. The classes are single sex, but things like band, chorus, lunch and study hall stay co-ed. I like that idea. ------------------ "The value of anything cannot be greater than a person, because that would presume that the person making the judgement is somehow more important than the person who is at risk, which is piffle." - Jesse Dangerously IP: Logged
farwell3d Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 10:20 AM Well, maverick beat me to what I would have said. Why not just have co-ed classes. I could especially see this for "sensitive topics" like a possible sex ed course, or even things like Health. I don't see any harm in single sex schools, but I don't see any real overwhelming benefit either. ------------------ "You won't find me gone Raised Hands Surrond Us 3 Nails to Protect Us I'll find my way back home Raised Hands Surround Us 3 Nails to Protect Us" -Project 86 "Open Hand" IP: Logged
xenopi Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 11:14 AM Hm. Well. As a girl, I'd much rather be in at least a 50-50 atmosphere than a room full of girls. Take boys out of the equation, and some girls have nothing better to think about than ways to torture other girls. What a nightmare. And the idea of co-ed school, segregated classes doesn't sound good to me at all for a few reasons. 1) Girls and boys should be expected to perform up to their potential no matter who is sitting next to them in class. 2) If this is a measure to academically shelter girls in the name of nurture, what happens to them when they're faced with a classroom full of guys once they reach college? Or a meeting room full of men when they start work? If it shouldn't matter then, why should it matter in high school geometry? 3) If the reason behind this is to eliminate romantic distraction, what about gay and lesbian students? Should we send them off to the opposite class? 4) Romantic socialization might not be hindered, but from what I've seen with kids who went through single-gender schooling, their friends tend to be the same gender. I went to a catholic college with tons of catholic single-sex grads, and they knew how to date and all, but they weren't so good at being friends with the opposite sex. Which, not surprisingly, affected their dating relationships. IP: Logged
DominusGladiorum Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 02:49 PM Yeah, studies show that one-sex schools do better than coed. But this ignores the fact that all same-sex schools are private, and private schools do better than public. And when you account for this, poof! the disparity goes away. (And yes, I realize I didn't capitalize the word "the" in my last sentence. This is because the "!" does not end the sentence. This is technically allowed. I think I'll stop before my footenote gets longer than my point.) IP: Logged
OpticBoom Self-Made User	posted September 21, 2001 03:34 PM My experience was that life was far far easier for me at a single sex high school than it was in coed middle school. I don't know to what extent that was due to everyone's having matured at least four months... I think boys pay more attention to class when there's no girls about. I'm told by my sisters that the same thing happened at their high school. People asked me where I meet girls if there's none in class, and I replied with irony, "after school, weekends, football games, malls, ya know, everywhere else." I should also point out that all of my friends were girls until I went to high school, largely because I grew up with three older sisters and their friends hanging out at the haouse but very infrequently did they bring home a male friend for me to idolize, like little boys generally do. I don't find any support for the position that social development is stunted in single-sex environments in my own experience. Some guys weren't social and some guys were... that's how the animal works. okay, gotta run to dinner. C-Ya! -Ken ------------------ I know we are all into tangents here, but... Mel Gibson? -McDuff IP: Logged
Angel Fish Self-Made User	posted September 22, 2001 05:26 AM OB has aready covered some of my points, but I want to pick up on a few things I've heard said.: quote: Generally I've found that girls who've been raised their entire lives in girls-only schools tend to either idealize or demonize the male of the species -- sometimes both simultaneously. I understand that a very similar attitude happens in boys-only schools. (Toon) To debate this would probably come down to an argument about which of us has more friends to base our generalisation on but I can tell you that this has not been my experience at all. Of the 60 or so people I knew well at 18, from single-sex schools, and of both genders, I can think of at least 60 more people from university who went to co-ed schools and had exactly the same realtionship problems. Some people idolised mambers of the opposite sex, some demonised them, some couldn't be friends with them, some could never move relationships on, some met 'the one' at 14 and never had any other relationship, some serially dated, some determined not to date untill they'd 'sampled' at least a dozen/21/150 others, some were gay, some androgenous, etc. I cannot think of a single thing that I, or my close friends have in common with our relationship styles. I don't think it's reasonable to make generalisations... There seems to be an assumption that single-sex schools isolate the genders. Of course, this is not the case, as OB said, you meet the other gender in many different places - extra-mural studies, music, drama, sporting activities, debating societies - in fact, these activities were more popular at my high school that the local co-ed partially because it was a way to meet boys! We met them on the bus on the way to school, we met them at the parties of our old friends from primary school, we met them as the brothers of our friends - we also, of course, had an almost 50:50 ratio of male to female teachers. quote: Take boys out of the equation, and some girls have nothing better to think about than ways to torture other girls. What a nightmare. - (xenopi) I've found girls to be a darn sight crueler when they think they could score points with men. quote: If this is a measure to academically shelter girls in the name of nurture, what happens to them when they're faced with a classroom full of guys once they reach college? Or a meeting room full of men when they start work? If it shouldn't matter then, why should it matter in high school geometry? - (xenopi, although a lot of people have said similar things) Because, by the time you get to college, or get a job, you're 18, which is a world of maturity difference away from being a hormonal 15 year old. Being a teenager is not something you get to practice; it's a nice sentiment to suggest that co-ed classes give you experience of the opposite sex as a human being - but they don't. They give you experience of the opposite sex as a teenager, which is something quite different. Having men in the same lectures as me at university did not suprise or confuse me, since I had learnt beside them before (residential learning courses, and at orchestras, amongst other things) - just not between 9.10am and 4.10pm on weekdays , in termtime (although, they may have intruded into my lunch break, after I turned 16...) quote: Yeah, studies show that one-sex schools do better than coed. But this ignores the fact that all same-sex schools are private, and private schools do better than public. And when you account for this, poof! the disparity goes away. - (DominusGladiorum) Not in the UK. Although single-sex schools tend to be in the wealtheir areas, it is still possible to make local comparisons, like with like. Usually stats show that girls do better at single-sex schools, and boys profit by a co-ed experience. Go figure. IP: Logged
Jesse Dangerously Self-Made User	posted September 22, 2001 11:11 AM I can't remember ever being distracted from my work by the presence of girls. I was far too busy dozing off or reading a book... ..or well... actually participating in class. And it's not like I don't look at girls. All the time. Lingering looks, too. It just didn't prevent me from learning. (had I learned anything regardless, I might be a better spokesperson) IP: Logged
McDuff Self-Made User	posted September 22, 2001 05:36 PM I think that the "learning about real life" argument would hold water with me if the people I knew in my mixed gender classes weren't 90% socially inept, incapable of holding a rational discussion, physically dependent upon alcohol, or could view the opposite gender with anything other than lust. I think that there are a few key stages in school where it does both genders a little bit of good to have some time away from hormonal stimulation. There were some classes at my comprehensive which were nothing but initial stumbles into the uncharted wilds of sexuality. And I'm not talking Sexual Education, I'm talking cookery here. I, like everyone in my school, did about 6 terms of cookery over three years. And everything I know about cooking, I learned after that. I'm not saying that we should separate people entirely. I don't see much point in separating students before 12 or after 16. But for those 4 years, I can definitely see the advantage of single gender classes. ------------------ Ack, bec's geometry homework wants to sell me a Tiny Wireless Camera! - Cropherb, via IRC Barbies are melting TODAY. - Jesse Dangerously IP: Logged
DramaShrink Self-Made User	posted September 23, 2001 09:21 AM I went to a co-ed yeshiva elementary school. Well, it was co-ed until 3rd grade. From 4th grade to 6th, we were separated for most classes and mixed for only reading and math/science. In 7th and 8th, we weren't mixed at all, even though we were in the same building. In fact, we had no contact with the boys except at lunch or recess, and even recess was separate sometimes. We had no extra-curricular activities at all, unless you count color war around Chanukah time. Even then, everyone had their own jobs to do, most of which were separate. I had gotten involved with a local religious youth group in 8th grade, so I had some contact with boys then, but not much. Suffice it to say that when I entered high school, I had no idea what a boy was, and I was scared of finding out. My yeshiva high school was co-ed. The only thing done separately was Phys. Ed. (there was another class that was separate, but it was only in senior year and relatively minor). Even the Judaic Studies classes were taught mixed. I had a very hard time adjusting, and I had an even harder time dealing with the boys. To me, they were these strange creatures. I was also a TV addict, and I had seen a very romanticized picture of men, so I had no idea how to deal with them as just regular people. Some of the boys used that to "push my buttons," and it embarrassed me a lot. By my junior year, I had adjusted somewhat better, and was even friendly with some of the boys, and it got better by senior year. I also stayed involved with my youth group, and I made friends with some boys there. It was also in my youth group that I met my first boyfriend. My program at Bar Ilan was separate for Judaic studies and mixed for everything else. By this time, I was much better at dealing with boys, so I had an easier time, but it still wasn't always good. After one year at Bar Ilan, I came back and went to Stern College for Women/Yeshiva University. Stern College was separate, but we did meet boys through some of the school activities. It was nice to be able to go to class wearing sloppy clothes and no makeup. I had a much easier time dealing with boys because by this time, I had learned to see boys as regular people. I dated a little, but I had a number of male friends, some of whom are still in touch with me. Now, I'm still friends with some men, and I also date. I was friends with a lovely young man for over a year before we started dating, and it's going extremely well so far. I feel that co-education is important in the elementary level. Boys and girls really need to learn how to deal with each other before their hormones start getting involved. If I had had any casual exposure to boys before high school, I think I would've had an easier time. For high school, I think it should be a personal choice. ------------------ "Hi."- Toon "Smile. It increases your face value." - "Truvy" from "Steel Magnolias" "Inside every geek beats the heart of a raging green monster."- Jack Havoc IP: Logged
jasey Scrappy Doo	posted September 23, 2001 10:44 AM i'm in a single sex school, i have no problem with that, it's a state school, (not private) and we get good grades because we study hard and have few distractions, the number of teen pregnancies in our area has been reduced since half of the schools went to being single sex and it's not like we are socially retarded because we still get to (and are encouraged to) mix with the opposite sex if we want at things like plays, concerts, via the internet and in real life by knowing friends, scouts, cadet training, music groups etc. i think being in a mixed school puts more pressure on students not only to study hard but also to be popular which is more difficult if you are being judged in more areas. IP: Logged
Algeh Self-Made User	posted September 23, 2001 11:13 AM I've gone to co-ed schools all my life, and I think I would have been rather miserable in a single-sex school. My friends have always been almost entirely boys. My elective classes have always been almost entirely boys. Many times, there would maybe be one other girl in my class, and the rest would be boys. If I went to a girls-only school, these electives would not have been offered, due to lack of interest. I base this on the fact that the district wide (and I'm in a fairly large district) Talented and Gifted program was the program that offered such electives and there was still only one other girl in the class a lot of the time. If only 2 girls in the city are really interested in a class, it simply wouldn't be offered unless there were also boys interested. I had a similar experience with Saturday Academy, which was a program where you could pay to take classes on weekends. I never would have been able to take computer programming if not for co-ed schools. It's been so long that I can't remember if there was another girl in my LOGO class, but I don't believe that there was. I know that there was only one other girl in my C class. When a group of students at my middle school started learning BASIC on our own, I was the only girl interested. When I got to college, I was the only girl in Computer Science II, and most of my CS classes only have 1-3 other girls in them. I had similar experiences with many of my other interests, such as architecture. I'm not saying that girls can't do these things, that would be silly. I'm a girl and I love science, especially the parts about computers and building stuff. I'm saying that those aren't the electives most girls choose. When I took French, video production or creative writing, I always had plenty of girls in my classes. Physics, programming and architecture, however, were always predominantly boys. Yes, I got teased a lot. I still got to learn the stuff that I wanted to know. Because of one of those elective classes, I knew enough about the structural strengths of different shapes to build the best straw-structure in my entire school in 8th grade. Because I got to learn 3 programming languages, I had a major head-start when I started taking computer science classes in college. I am now in the process of applying to grad schools in that subject, and plan to attain a doctorate in it and then become a professor. I think that had I been in a single-sex school, I would not have had the opportunity to learn many of the things that I now know, and I would not have known how to handle myself as well in later situations that were predominantly male. I'm planning on going into a male-dominated field, and I might as well get used to it. Oh, and in high school, my ratio of male:female friends was about 10:1. Hormones really weren't that much of a problem for us. We hung out and even had co-ed sleepovers, and it just didn't come up. I never dated or fooled around with any of them. I had a boyfriend for about 2 years, but he went to another school entirely. I had a crush on exactly one of my male friends, and nothing ever came of it. I've always been more comfortable with guys. So anyway, I'm a big fan of co-ed schools. IP: Logged
xenopi Self-Made User	posted September 23, 2001 08:06 PM It really does depend on the individual. I don't think we can say that one way is THE way to go for everyone. For some students, it may be easier to study in a single-gender situation. For others, segregation would be pointless. Damn it! I so looked forward to a nice blanket generalization. frown IP: Logged
DramaShrink Self-Made User	posted September 24, 2001 05:45 PM Xenopi, there are blanket generalizations out there, including about co-education. There are people who deride my high school simply because it's co-ed. They believe that no respectable yeshiva would be co-ed, and my yeshiva isn't a real "yeshiva." Of course, these same detractors do eventually meet former students of my school, and it's fun to watch their reaction on meeting these totally observant Jews who went to this co-ed "yeshiva." I didn't suffer from the co-education (my problem was adjusting from single-sex to co-ed, and if I had been exposed to boys before, that adjustment would've been easier). If anything, I got an excellent education at an excellent school, including Judaic studies. I can relate to what Algeh said. In my elementary school, the boys were learning Talmud, while we girls didn't. In my high school, we all learned Talmud. I don't know of any all-girls yeshiva high school where Talmud is taught (if anyone does know of one, I'd like to hear of it). ------------------ "Hi."- Toon "Smile. It increases your face value." - "Truvy" from "Steel Magnolias" "Inside every geek beats the heart of a raging green monster."- Jack Havoc IP: Logged
Beckuary Cereal Subunit	posted September 25, 2001 07:36 PM I've never attended an all-girls school, but I am completely and totally in love with Barnard college and would sell my body on the street if it would increase my chances of admission or my ability of afford it. Barnard is an all-girls school, but as it's in NYC, you still have all the millions of guys in the city to interact with. I attended a few classes there, and I really enjoyed the fact that it was all-girls. It seemed more...laid back. But I'd never have wanted an all-girls school before say, the age of 18. IP: Logged
Toon Shuttlecock	posted September 25, 2001 08:58 PM Barnard!! I went to Barnard! er, for the first few years of college, before I could no longer afford the tuition and transferred to Queens. ------------------ -=> Toon "Toon, it's okay -- just think of the config.sys file as bizarre post-modern poetry." -Rob Wynne on #filkhaven IP: Logged
genuine artificial Cereal Subunit	posted September 25, 2001 10:09 PM I went to a girls-only summer camp for several years, though I've always been in co-ed public schools and now am at a co-ed college. (In a co-ed dorm, in fact.) I loved camp, but single-sex school? ...Enh. I think I would have really enjoyed it, but I think it would have been very bad for me. I tend to gravitate towards other females anyway, and having minimal experience with guys (other than family members) might well have turned that into skittish avoidance. Which isn't terribly healthy or productive. So I'm just as glad I went to co-ed schools all along. So yeah. My two cents, adding very little to what everyone else has said. IP: Logged
DramaShrink Self-Made User	posted September 26, 2001 07:16 AM Genarti, you've added quite a bit. Don't put yourself down ------------------ "Hi."- Toon "Smile. It increases your face value." - "Truvy" from "Steel Magnolias" "Inside every geek beats the heart of a raging green monster."- Jack Havoc IP: Logged
Nevah Altavaris Entitar Self-Made User	posted September 26, 2001 06:56 PM Personally, I would despise going to a single-sex school. I'm the kind who writes poetry, is good at drama, and sucks at sports. And there's little fun in presenting poetry to a class when there are no females present. Also, school drama would be severely hindered, because there could be no female roles. So, the only non-acedemic activity is... sports... and band... I play the shoebox... and not much else... and I'm crap at sports... So yeah. My 10 drams. IP: Logged
Beckuary Cereal Subunit	posted September 26, 2001 07:32 PM I can't afford it either. As much as I love it, barring a miracle I will not be able to attend. But it is a super school. IP: Logged
Eggy Toast Self-Made User	posted September 26, 2001 07:53 PM My only problem with single sex colleges is that they often have amazingly strick rules for the students when they're not in class. For example, there's a college in the twin cities here that's "girls only," and if you get pregnant while attending, you're expelled. nice! You probably get a suspension if you have a boy in your room, let alone spend the night. Ugh! IP: Logged
nebulous menace Self-Made User	posted September 27, 2001 10:33 AM My only even-close-single-sex was the McGill dorms. One dorm was coed by wing- all girls on one side of each floor, all guys on the other. That dorm had the most uncontrolled parties and generally was the biggest mess. My dorm [Molson] had one coed-by-wing floor, the rest being coed by room. While I will admit to utter shock the first time you see a Person of the Opposite Sex Sharing Toothbrush Quarters, it was generally a good thing. The coed-by-wing floor: "The boys beat up on the furniture and the girls beat up on each other" seemed to be fairly true. The boys' wing had holes in the walls and the girls' wing was full of bitchy unhappy women. Admittedly, with the other sex no farther than 100 feet, the "audience" effect may have been real, but still. . . the coeder, the better is my experience. IP: Logged
asd109 Self-Made User	posted September 27, 2001 06:47 PM quote: It was nice to be able to go to class wearing sloppy clothes and no makeup. I went to coed schools my entire life and I routinely went to class with no make-up. I also had no real hang-ups with attending my morning classes in pajamas or sweats if I overslept. IP: Logged
DramaShrink Self-Made User	posted September 28, 2001 11:03 AM quote: I went to coed schools my entire life and I routinely went to class with no makeup. I also had no real hangups with attending my morning classes in pajamas or sweats if I overslept. In my college, we were considered ready to meet men and get married. It was expected that if there were men around, we would look good (it was expected by our peers and parents; the school didn't expect anything except for adherence to Jewish traditions of modesty). Since there weren't a lot of men around most of the time, we had very few hangups about going to class in the "just rolled out of bed" look. ------------------ "Hi."- Toon "Smile. It increases your face value." - "Truvy" from "Steel Magnolias" "Inside every geek beats the heart of a raging green monster."- Jack Havoc IP: Logged
Cheatara Self-Made User	posted September 28, 2001 11:55 AM quote: My only problem with single sex colleges is that they often have amazingly strick rules for the students when they're not in class. For example, there's a college in the twin cities here that's "girls only," and if you get pregnant while attending, you're expelled. nice! You probably get a suspension if you have a boy in your room, let alone spend the night. Ugh! Umm don't single out single sexed school for these kind of rules... Many private schools have rules like this, mostly just the Christian colleges, but other private institutions do as well. I went to a christian college (church of christ in denomination) and we were considered to be the lightest on the rules in our "group" of schools... We weren't allowed to watch rated R movies, we weren't allowed to be out past midnight without permission, we couldn't smoke, couldn't drink, no girls in the guys rooms, no guys in the girls rooms...the list goes on. My best friend attends a college in tennesea (in the same group as my college) and they can't play cards, dye their hair unnatural colours, wear shorts in the main building... IP: Logged
Kaligus Scrappy Doo	posted September 30, 2001 06:35 AM An interesting question posed and equally interesting comments follow! bearing in mind that 1) I am of the male gender 2) I am drawn to ladies for anything more intimate than a hug 3) 90% of my friends growin up were ladies, and most of those were older than myself... I would have to my vote in for some kind of test to see which type of schooling would best suit each individual... This way we would all get what is best for us and wouldnt have to deal with that which may not be so good??? ------------------ What kind of cerial was that again? IP: Logged
Beckuary Cereal Subunit	posted September 30, 2001 08:19 PM Cheatara-where did you go to college, if you don't mind me asking. I have a lot of friends ate Christian colleges, I was just curious... IP: Logged
Eggy Toast Self-Made User	posted September 30, 2001 10:58 PM Cheatara, that's my point exactly. I don't see how a college can provide very good education if it spends so much time and effort into policing students about things that the students are legally allowed to do. Many of the private schools around here have good reputations simply because of a church backing, and not because of any real academic reasons. And, of course, the name recognition drops to about .1% as soon as you leave the state. Some private schools have really earned their reputation, and everyone knows about those ones. I don't really see what purpose other private schools serve, besides the religious aspect which seems more socially than personally bound. Of course, I could also just be jaded by the fact that I went to and still am attending a big state university and have a duo of girls as neighbors on one side and another one on the other side (of course, it's apartments here, so I never see them). IP: Logged
Cheatara Self-Made User	posted September 30, 2001 11:16 PM quote: Cheatara-where did you go to college, if you don't mind me asking. I have a lot of friends ate Christian colleges, I was just curious... Great Lakes Christian College quote: Cheatara, that's my point exactly. I don't see how a college can provide very good education if it spends so much time and effort into policing students about things that the students are legally allowed to do. Many of the private schools around here have good reputations simply because of a church backing, and not because of any real academic reasons. And, of course, the name recognition drops to about .1% as soon as you leave the state. I agree, the rules were dumb, but I understand why they were made. They were honestly made just to get funding from churches, the administrators admitted to that. Anyway, we didn't follow them. As far as education, there were some amazing teachers there, and some teachers that didn't know psychology from basketball (sadly enough he was the psych prof and the basketball coach). My lit proffessor was amazing, he would be a stand out teacher at any college. Also most students that have left GLCC after 2 years of basics and went to a big public university have said GLCC's classes were much harder and more in depth. Of course no one, even in the same town, has heard of GLCC, it has no name recognition. This is because it has never had over 220 students at any one time. 60 faculty/proffessors and less than 220 students leads to a lot of one on one learning that you can't get else where. It's also a very nice feeling to know everyone, so if you miss a class you can always get notes. `Sorry that is just rambling there, it's 2am and I'm waiting for cough syrup to kick in, hopefully I got my point acrossed anyway.` (Friendly edit by Djelibeybi to fix the URL tag). [This message has been edited by Djelibeybi (edited October 01, 2001).] IP: Logged
Eggy Toast Self-Made User	posted September 30, 2001 11:23 PM Nah, it's not too ranty. I know what you mean, though -- I did that whole "go take college classes during your senior year in HS" thing, and I went to the local community college that year (which happened to be right next to the HS). The classes were pretty small, and the teachers seemed to really know what they were talking about. Granted, the classes were pretty basic things, but it was nice that I felt I was truly learning something. It's also nice to hear that the students at your school didn't follow all the dumb rules. Gives me hope for others in private schools IP: Logged
Cheatara Self-Made User	posted October 01, 2001 08:25 AM First, thanks Djeli, I didn't even come back and look at my post after posting it. Second, I think you misunderstood, most students did follow the rules, Pet and I did not. I did the community college thing while in high school, had no choice, and I didn't learn anything, it was a huge waste of time, but hey, it was free credits. IP: Logged

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